Armed protesters occupying national wildlife refuge building. Thoughts?

I dare you in full camping gear to trespass upon their protest with the intention of doing nothing wrong to them. I have personally been shot at before in a similar situation. I do not like their kind.

I mean I have only met 3 kinds, people raised in isolated areas, wannabe soldiers, veterans who hated this country the majority of their lives. So who knows. You let hate breed in you long enough you tend to lose yourself trying to right the wrongs.
Can't say I've seen the same types.

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this has turned out to be an interesting debate thread though that is for sure. :D
 
"I mean I have only met 3 kinds, people raised in isolated areas, wannabe soldiers, veterans who hated this country the majority of their lives. So who knows. You let hate breed in you long enough you tend to lose yourself trying to right the wrongs."

Wow, thats a all encompassing statement. I'm a Vet and live in a isolated area. Are you including me? I think most people that hate America live in DC


I edited CA out of my post. I know a lot of fine people in CA but DC not so much.
 
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Im just gonna say my two cents and back out. But there are some things I would like to point out....

1. The land and building are public, there are no, No Tresspass signs or hrs of operation posted, nor were the doors locked. It is essentially a bunch of armed protesters doing a sit in, in a 24/hr visitor center.
2. They already spent time in Jail for the burning of these fires.
3. They are now being told they must spend MORE time in Jail for the same crime w/o a new trial. SO ignoreing the fact that im sure this would fall under double jeopardy, the fact there is not a second trial for this is also an issue.

Where I believe that some of the ways this is being handled is wrong, so far, they havent actually done anything wrong. No one has been hurt or held hostage.

And where I would be tempted to call them a little crazy, they are not as crazy as some of these media warriors like Montel Williams who tweeted that he is "Totally fine with a massive use of deadly force in Oregon to take out Ammon Bundy."

Im sorry but you might hate a person, but saying you approve of what would be a massacre of people that haven`t done anything wrong or deserving of death is just sick


So I am on the side of the Ranchers here on this one. BLM and the Fed's can go live the rest of their life in @Soulzz torture room.
 
At the end of the day reports are saying FBI is send a army of officers and swat. Hopefully this ends with no shots fired, there calling for people to join there cause there, bad choice. Soon that whole area will be blocked and anybody leaving will most likely be arrested. Also reports of FBI helicopters in the area.
 
Wow, thats a all encompassing statement. I'm a Vet and live in a isolated area. Are you including me? I think most people that hate America live in DC

It's actually no where near encompassing as you think. You included 2 separate groups into one. If you served it makes it a lot less likely you spent your entire life in an isolated area absent of comprehensive education on american history and government. As far as being a vet. Did you enlist already not agreeing with the principles of the country you served. Despite later as an adult learning it's not quite what you thought it was? Or did you return home to a civilian population hating all those you fought to defend the freedoms of? I doubt you are to the extreme on either but who knows.

While we can define a separation between Rancher's who don't agree with existing laws and right wing lunatics that tend to either start or try to integrate with existing militias. Something that they both tend to agree on is some sense of right to do whatever they want on their land. We can all agree burning for weed control is one thing. But it's the same thought behind "I can dump any chemicals I want to kill weeds". Some laws need changing but if you are of the mindset that laws don't apply to you... it's not going to get you very far once authorities finally notice.

I also draw a line between people scared for their gun rights hoarding loads of traceable weaponry they bought legally and those who buy theirs from illegitimate sources ranging from gangs that don't even share their ideals all the way to terrorists. My father a gun salesman has enough legal firearms to arm the entire block we lived on and an entire work station ready to load various ammunition. A proud veteran and supporter of men making their wage at age old practices somewhat no longer accepted by society, never would he be on their side of the fence.
 
The only laws that "actually" matter or make any sense at all, are Natural Laws. Hell we owe China right(or some other "man made" lines on rock hauling ass at ball breaking speeds in the middle of space)? How much of US "land" is indebted to them? The whole nonsensical scheme that is being deployed towards humanity lately is insane.

There, I said it, insane.....IN the purest form of illogical brainwashing this planet will ever come to know.
 
My only thought was how hilarious the twitter was aroudn this. #YAllQuaeda #Yeehawdists
 
while I understand the frustration level of the people involved in this "sit in" "take over" whatever you want to call it. Its also stupid in a few ways. Federal land belongs to ALL of us. So while we pay for employees who cant go to work at this facility, we also are paying for the electricity and any other resource they are using while "taking over" If they wanted this land they could have AT ANY TIME put in a bid to purchase. With the government cutting spending left and right I dont think they would have a good argument not to sell the land back to the peoples of the local area. Instead they are wasting both local and federal funds. These are funds that belong to ALL of us. They are wasting everyone's money with this stunt. There were many civil ways to handle this. Not to say the federal government handles things perfectly and there are not an abundance of shit laws and abuses but if I were to go in and say IM TAKING OVER THIS POST OFFICE BECAUSE THEY LOST MY MAIL I would have a bullet in my head pretty quick. We as a society cant have any one group up and taking anything. This would set an extremely bad precedent, this in my opinion includes the both state and federal government as well. No land or facility should be seized by anyone without a very good reason (read we just had a nuclear meltdown so we have to seize this land for peoples protection so they dont have mutant babies).
now on to some other points of contention on this thread. Our system, our democracy, in theory is good. It worked amazingly for a really long time. It is still a decent structure but it fails miserably to work efficiently in our modern day. Way to much influence is wielded by private interest at the expense of everyone. We see minimal return for what we do put in (taxes) and voting for a person to represent us is antiquated. We all have the ability to participate in our government now, this is not 100 years ago. We have the internet, it should be used to vote on issues not people. Representatives have time and time again betrayed people promising to deliver on emotionally leveraged topics only to soak up a large pay check an hold political circle jerks. This is so fucking wasteful. It should not be a job to represent people, the people can represent themselves so lets make it happen and quit trying to run this country as if it were 1901. We are supposed to be the greatest country on earth, why the fuck are we letting a handful ruin it? I want a great America, I want the America where if you work you can afford to live a decent life. I want an America where one mistake does not ruin an entire life. I want an America where peoples health and welfare are not sold to the highest bidder. But right now the America I am looking at is a husk of what it was and I feel like we rather let our own country men suffer than lay down bullshit ideology, traditions, and fear of change and just move forward. I think the only way America is going to get good again is if we get our system up to speed and water down the current cash grab. The loss of jobs to other countries only hurts all of us, the lack of health care hurts all of us, bullshit lies from politicians only hurt all of us. Poor policy and retarded laws only hurt all of us. The same goes for really fucking stupid occupations ( occupy wall street ) including this current event in Oregon wasting everyone's money. I get it this country has problems, serious problems that hurt every day ordinary citizens. I think most of the country under the age of 30 have been let down by this country in one way or another. But we are not going to fix anything in this country getting arrested, labeled terrorist, or failing to have a good plan to at least try and make things better. We will also never get out of the rut we are in while people refuse to try new and untried solutions to problem. We will never gain traction bettering this country if we only pander to a handful of types (scammers, the wealthy, or businesses). while everyone has spent the last 30 years dividing themselves political R vs D we have let this country slip out of being awesome. We have let our people lose jobs, protection for our workforce, education, affordable healthcare, in exchange for a giant prison population, a massive populace of under/unemployed, large average debt, shit health care pending you are lucky to afford it, and tax dollars that seems to get us a nice road or two. How about we focus on improving the country for the majority, Americans should have jobs, Americans should have access to healthcare, Americans should have more control over federal and state policy, we everyday average Americans should be the biggest benefactors of our own hard work and tax dollars. We should have it all, we once did how about we fucking get it back?

but hey lets just argue about the one guy who managed to scam the system and get SNAP, or the how women are whores for needing abortions, or how we need to let in 100 billion refuges in before we feed and employ our own populace. Or how someone should get a priority status because of their race. While we are at it you know what, how about we all just say fuck each other and we just decide to argue ourselves into some broke shit country where we can all be equally unemployed, unhappy, sick and uneducated? How about we all decide to vote for some more people to suck the life blood out of this country? While we are all at it lets give our current wages back to whoever we work for so we don't have to feel guilty about taking money from a poor business. Also for added patriotism we can all throw ourselves into prison once we cant pay our bills because we accepted no pay for our jobs and are now criminal scum?

lets get real people this is our country we can either have a nice one or not. If we want a nice one we cant keep going at the rate we have been things have to change, a LOT of things.We need to accept the fact that unbridled capitalism and an un-modernized government will ruin us all.

sorry for the rant lol
 
You know what we need?

People that give a fuck about this country. Not PC stupidity. Less lawyers, more educators, more enablers, more innovativors. We have so many different government departments, how about privatizing some of them?

We need better healthcare, but we need to fix the system that is already world class, but gets taken advantage of by crony capitalist insurance companies and stupid lawsuits.

The country needs a solid kick in the ass and people need to do something about it instead of making speeches.

/endrant


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A... the FUCK Men.
You know what we need?

People that give a fuck about this country. Not PC stupidity. Less lawyers, more educators, more enablers, more innovativors. We have so many different government departments, how about privatizing some of them?

We need better healthcare, but we need to fix the system that is already world class, but gets taken advantage of by crony capitalist insurance companies and stupid lawsuits.

The country needs a solid kick in the ass and people need to do something about it instead of making speeches.

/endrant


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