DoD leadership continues to shit on the military

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Maintaining the trend set by turncoat shitbags like Army Chief of Staff General Ray Odierno and Joint Chief of Staff Martin Dempsey, Secretary of Defense Removal Chuck Hagel has proposed yet another massive round of cuts to the DoD this time drawing down the Army to pre-WWII levels, entirely eliminating the A-10 aircraft from service and the U-2 spyplane which for some reason remains our pre-eminent reconnaissance aircraft despite being nearly 60 years old (the SR-71 Blackbird was retired by our last two term Democrat President as was the A-10 the only other time it was retired).

"Hagel would recommend a limit on military pay raises, higher fees for health-care benefits, less generous housing allowances, and a one-year freeze on raises for top military brass."
The proposal would also cut the number of soldiers by 120,000.

Anyhow, this has become par for the course for the DoD over the past 2 years, all upper echelon civilian leadership appointed recently have been drawdown specialists from Hagel at the top to the number two at DoD Christine Fox. Christine Fox has spent her entire career as a defense beancounter and this somehow qualifies her to be the second most powerful person in the Department of Defense.

Hagel would recommend a limit on military pay raises, higher fees for health-care benefits, less generous housing allowances, and a one-year freeze on raises for top military brass.

On a very related note, 43 flag grade officers have been removed or removed themselves which has left an enormous vacuum in senior leadership which has been promptly filled with amenable officers who share the administrations policy leanings.
 
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It happens everytime a democrat gets in office. Well at least during the past 22 years of my military involvement. When I first came in during the 90's and Clinton was President they had huge reductions in force. So the cycle seems to be perpetual.
 
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Need the money for the trillion dollar trio, F-shit35, DDX, and LCS programs. Honestly, the problem started during The Vietnam era (arguably earlier) though it has gotten worse with time. One president starts some super project, the project stalls, the the next president makes the awesome choice of fucking the grunts on the ground and sailors at sea to cover the cost of said failed project. Being really good at one thing is not acceptable in today's military, you have to be functional in many different things.
 
Look at all the extra money the government will have to spend on phones. Shit, maybe next year the government can buy us a microwave.
 
I used to be pissed at myself for only doing 6 years and getting out but with all the stories I hear about how much BS there is and how they try to force you out if you fart wrong, i'm glad I got out now.
 
I highly DOUBT this will fly given that this year is an election year. Hosing the troops for all they are worth doesn't tend to be popular with a few major voting groups. After Nov though I can't be so sure.

Also the A-10 is epic. That plane should never be retired.
 
as a military retiree it pains me to see nobama and his loser demo buddies take apart our military piece by piece. their reason is that "the government needs to save money." okay, the economy is in the shitter thank you very much mr. nobama, but lets not take away from something the country needs, how about cutting back on the stuff that we as a country need to cut back on SOCIAL PROGRAMS. hey food stamp people and assorted welfare people GET A JOB like responsible people do. if our liberal government continues to give away OUR MONEY then there is no incentive for these people to stand on their own two feet.
 
A-10s being retired!? wowsers. I loved it when those things were patroling the skies. Bad guys didnt shoot at us as much when they were around.....and when they did, they got a taste of the buisness end of that cannon!
 
I got a better idea. How about we make the salary for Congressman $0 until they get their shit together. They also shouldn't get a lifetime pension and healthcare benefits for working for four years. We the people should have to vote for any increase in benefits or raises for them. I would rather see my friends who serve my country taken care of well before a bunch of bought and paid for trash that thinks they need to tell all the "peasants" how to live.
 
Hell US REPRESENTATIVE is only a 2 year term. Well its supposed to be only 2 yeats, these guys tend to stay in office for most of their adult lives.
 
"how about cutting back on the stuff that we as a country need to cut back on SOCIAL PROGRAMS. hey food stamp people and assorted welfare people GET A JOB like responsible people do."


Before 2008 i would have agreed with you, but that was when i was a so called paper millionare 3.5 mil earned before i was 30. I dont want to sound too hostile but fuck you. I dont get food stamps dont qualify. though we desperatley need them. Have had to go to the food bank a few times. With a wife who works for a little less than 50k a yr before taxes and 31,200 after taxes how the fuck do you live with a family of 7 on that. Get a job you say look at the job market nothing but shit, below poverty wages being offered.

1. Im still waiting on my government bail out. Yes i employed as many as 20 people per construction season. Now im left holding the bag and financially ruined. BOA swooped in and bought my home mortage because of businees debts with them now they sold it to Green Tree a debt collector guess what they called my note for being 91 days behind.

2 where the fuck was my umemployment insurrance when i needed it. State told me self employed small business owners cant collect it. Pfft i want the thousands or tens of thousands back i had to pay in for it plus all the accountant and legal fees i paid to set up a incorporated business all proper like.

3. Ever been told your unemployable by companies who were your customers? The same assholes that trust you to do work at there personal homes as well. They trust you to do 50k, 300kjob contracts with them. But your unemployable to them because you have no degree in business or what not.


I can go on and fucking on but your get a fucking job thing is pure bullshit. Some of us cant get a job because it will make us worse off. I thought like you once but it takes losing everything or almost everything to see that there might be others as bad off as you for no fault of there own.
 
Sorry to hear about your epic rise and fall Brownstreaks. This is a problem with the system that isn't likely to be corrected in the future. Your first mistake was going about being a successful and responsible business person(those who do less often get more help then those that actually try, which doesn't make much sense). Those who work for themselves take great risks, and with those risks come great rewards but also a chance of not making it. I have a lot of respect for people who work for themselves or start a business venture, stories like yours is part of the reason why.

I think social programs need to be reigned in a bit, no more abuse, no more EBT cards being used to buy beer, etc. There are things that can be done to make things a bit better but most of those ideas aren't popular given our current political/economical landscape.

Subsidizing anything, often leads to more of the thing you are subsidizing. Which is regrettable given how much goes out for low income housing, food assistance, heating assistance, etc.

With a family of 7 you should be paying little to no tax at all with that income your wife is making. If that is your only income you are just above the poverty line for a family of 4 ( I think it is 41k or something) so you should be getting most of your taxes back.

The truth is that there are jobs out there. You might have to pick up the family and move (which is in no way ideal), or you could start over again and work your way back up. Or jump into schooling to point yourself at a different career. If you are burned out from your experiences i don't blame you, it probably wasn't a fun ride to make. But you seem like a generally cool guy, I think you have it in you to excel again.

To sum up, there is a optimal middle ground to most issues that we as people should be able to reach. Our inflexibility often gets the better of us and prevents or slows any meaningful progress.
 
Brown you can make 6 figures in South Dakota, Texas or Oklahoma after a 2 month class in driving. Social programs are absolutely out of control and have been for decades, like Loverman said Capitol Hill is populated almost entirely by cowards and lowest common denominator heroes. Social safety nets are NOT the federal governments responsibility, national defense is. If states want to set up social welfare programs that's fine, it's well within their rights hell it's maybe even their obligation. There should be no such thing as a federal food stamp program or federal welfare, and unemployment insurance should be strictly from the states and actually pay livable wages instead of the shit it currently pays.
 
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Brown you can make 6 figures in South Dakota, Texas or Oklahoma after a 2 month class in driving. Social programs are absolutely out of control and have been for decades, like Loverman said Capitol Hill is populated almost entirely by cowards and lowest common denominator heroes. Social safety nets are NOT the federal governments responsibility, national defense is. If states want to set up social welfare programs that's fine, it's well within their rights hell it's maybe even their obligation. There should be no such thing as a federal food stamp program or federal welfare, and unemployment insurance should be strictly from the states and actually pay livable wages instead of the shit it currently pays.
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You know that' s how the system is supposed to work, not how it actually does work. But as far as I know, you are correct that that was never something the Federal govt. should do, it's up to individual states if they want and of course they then apply for Federal help to pay for all of that.
 
Loverman you have no idea just some thoughts.

You can not go to school if your already defaulting on prior school loans beacause you cant pay all your bills.

You do get income tax money. BUT all of it is taken as payments to settle past debts. (School loans, judgements ect..)

This is the 3rd coldest winter in recorded history. How many other people can not afford there heating bills. Mine have gone up to almost 400-500 a month to keep the house at 70 deg or a little less.

The wife works for the nys court system. They have been working something like 4 yrs now without a contract. Moving is out of the question. Oh and our great ny state govenour wants to give free college education bach. Degrees to all inmates now.

Do i have it in me to excel again yes. There is no benefit to finding a job working for someone else if all it does is pay for your gas to and from work and cover daycare expenses for the 3 kids who would need it (375 -500 a week) my other 2 kids are old in jr high so they dont need it.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfe...ally-could-obama-be-americas-worst-president/

http://www.hbo.com/documentaries/hard-times-lost-on-long-island#/


Yes there are some real shit heads that abuse the system. but there are lots of people like me still reeling from the recession.

While I have used myself as an example it is not my attempt for you to pity me.
 
ouch. I didn't know that you owed money. Any steak houses near you or some other middle tier or higher resturant? You could always work at night while your wife works during the day. Bar tending, waiting tables, something... Not ideal at all but it is something.
 
prison systems are too stressed right now....well they have been for at least the last 30+years or so(give or take)...I know it is kind of off topic, but if there isn't some change in the US Prison System, that is a sinkhole that will keep nickle and diming US taxpayers.....

There was an old Ray Liotta movie about prison systems back in the day(set in future)Though I can not for the life of me think of the name( I am sure a few of you have seen it). Interesting idea there.
 
The movie is No Escape. Ray Liotta, Ernie Hudson, and a few others where in it.
 
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